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这是之前的讨论，来自CRA的确认 (#7254709@0) (#6945720@0) (#7979225@0) 。不放心的人自己可以再去CRA确认。

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  • 枫下家园 / 钱财税务 / 请教一个税务问题：去年买房时经纪给返还了一部分佣金，据他说他报了支出，这笔费用需要算作我的收入，是这样吗？ -5ab2000(美女集中营营长); 2013-3-26 (#8121007@0)
    • 是的，我朋友没报，刚刚被罚了。 -daylight(timebegins); 2013-3-26 (#8121021@0)
      • Are you sure? Don't need to claim as your income if it's for your own house. -daydream123(梦驰CN); 2013-3-26 (#8121085@0)
      • 请问你朋友申诉了吗？最后的结果是怎么样的？ -5ab2000(美女集中营营长); 2013-3-27 (#8121723@0)
    • No, it's your after tax income. -daydream123(梦驰CN); 2013-3-26 (#8121088@0)
      • Are you kidding? How can it be 'after tax' as no tax was paid? -maplus(马+); 2013-3-26 (#8121094@0)
        • because CRA lays hands before you. You don't get to touch your tax money. -2841999(四友); 2013-3-26 (#8121106@0)
          • If you don't pay tax the agent has to pay. In the case that the agent deducts it as a cost, CRA would either enforce him/her to pay or you must pay, depending upon the agreement you had. -maplus(马+); 2013-3-27 (#8121144@0)
    • 不用报。那本来就是你的钱。以前讨论过很多次了。说要报的都是JJ。不放心打电话去税局问。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-26 (#8121096@0)
      • Can't agree more -daydream123(梦驰CN); 2013-3-26 (#8121123@0)
      • It is not true. It is not 本来就是你的钱 because you did not pay commission, but the seller did. The money is a gift. -maplus(马+); 2013-3-27 (#8121125@0)
        • It's your after tax income, it's the refund from your payment, don't need to pay double tax, unless you like. -minnaz(AMX); 2013-3-27 (#8121147@0)
          • Commission is paid by the seller. You paid for the house, not commission. -maplus(马+); 2013-3-27 (#8121149@0)
        • 这是之前的讨论，来自CRA的确认 (#7254709@0) (#6945720@0) (#7979225@0) 。不放心的人自己可以再去CRA确认。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121280@0)
          • makes sense. 这笔钱一定要打税的，如果经纪和买家都不交的话，两方一定有一方会被audit。 -maplus(马+); 2013-3-27 (#8121342@0)
            • 不知道你仔细看了上面给的三个讨论么？那部分钱，JJ怎么报是JJ的事，应该报discount，也可以报expense，不计入收入部分，不用交税。买家作为discount，不是收入，更不用计入收入交税。前提是，买家拿到的是自己买房子的返还。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121370@0)
              • 买家拿到的是自己买房子的返还----好像在哪里听过一耳朵，说这是违反经济行业规定的。 经济们来说说看。 -newtoronto(一家四口); 2013-3-27 (#8121387@0)
              • 我同意。但我听说过有被audit的，当然我不了解具体情况，也不知道后续结果。 -maplus(马+); 2013-3-27 (#8121393@0)
      • 请问怎么同CRA说，这个返佣算是gift还是discount？ -5ab2000(美女集中营营长); 2013-3-27 (#8122979@0)
    • no, you dont need to report it as your income. -3-cell(3cell); 2013-3-27 (#8121254@0)
    • 这样吧，假设经纪返一半佣金，报税时说1分没赚全返了，这不就行了？他不用付一分钱税，你也不用付一分钱税，大家都高兴。 -kakaka(小胖子); 2013-3-27 (#8121312@0)
      • 经纪返一半佣金，那还有一半呢？怎么能说一分钱没赚？ -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121372@0)
        • 和买家沟通好，同意了以后才给一半反佣。反正报税就说1分没赚，明白了？ -kakaka(小胖子); 2013-3-27 (#8121429@0)
          • 没明白。返还一半还剩一半，这一半不还是收入，怎么叫1分没赚？你当现金收入不是收入啊？那叫逃税！ -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121436@0)
            • His point is if you (who is receiving the rebate) do not claim it as income then there is a flaw in the system... -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2013-3-27 (#8121453@0)
              • exactly, and if this is a valid argument, then no agent will ever need to pay taxes again. -kakaka(小胖子); 2013-3-27 (#8121471@0)
                • 其实我内心里非常鼓励大家都去缴这个“税“的。政府收入多了咱多少能跟着有点福利。：） -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121490@0)
              • 你左口袋的钱放到右口袋去，算收入么？你从银行里取了钱出来，转一圈再存回去，算收入么？ -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121485@0)
                • It is not your money. It is the seller the money. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2013-3-27 (#8121489@0)
                  • seller的money？笑话了吧。seller从头到尾根本就碰不到这笔从buyer口袋里拿出来的钱。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121503@0)
                    • You have an agreement with the seller. The seller has an agreement with the seller's agent. The seller's agent has an agreement with your agent. Each step is indepedent. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2013-3-27 (#8121519@0)
                • If you want to avoid paying tax, the correct way to do it is to lower the purchase price of the house by telling the seller's agent that your agent will accept a reduced commission -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2013-3-27 {107} (#8121495@0)
                  and the seller's agent will need to sign a new agreement with the seller to reduce the overall commission.
                  • 你该不会是JJ吧？已经有很多人亲自跟CRA确认过了(#8121280@0) ，真不知道你蛊惑别人缴这个不必要的钱对你有什么好处。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121526@0)
                    • We are talking about facts, not pointing fingers. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2013-3-27 (#8121596@0)
                      • fact is: 已经有很多人亲自跟CRA确认过了，不算收入。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121609@0)
            • 这很复杂？ 1） 佣金全反 2） 买家回扣一半给经纪 3）大家都不交税。 -kakaka(小胖子); 2013-3-27 (#8121463@0)
              • 2） 买家回扣一半给经纪 -- 这个是JJ的收入，要缴税。你当现金收入不是收入啊？那叫逃税！ -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121476@0)
                • 不然这样，要么你书面同意拿到100%回扣，不然别说50%，连1分回扣都不给。你自己选。 -kakaka(小胖子); 2013-3-27 (#8121493@0)
                  • 你当现金收入不是收入啊？那叫逃税！ -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121513@0)
                    • 不知所谓。买家承认拿到了100%回扣，收入个屁。 -kakaka(小胖子); 2013-3-27 (#8121531@0)
                      • JJ事实收入50%佣金，“收入个屁”只是自欺和欺人（CRA）而已。这跟那些小生意报零收入是一样的情况，CRA会查的。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2013-3-27 (#8121546@0)
                        • 所以才要“书面同意拿到100%回扣”，就准备了是给查的。 -kakaka(小胖子); 2013-3-27 (#8121586@0)
              • 你提出来的解决方案,就如同我们去商场购物,和商家商量好,说那些东西都是免费送的,就不用交税了,难度可能差不多. -elephantsong(双修大笨象); 2013-3-27 (#8122143@0)
                • It's very different on one can do to escape a $10 of tax vs. $10,000 of tax. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2013-3-27 (#8122152@0)
    • 这是那个经纪无事找事。一栋房子的佣金假如是$20000，经纪返返$5000，说明经纪收入只有$15000，他只要按$15000报收入纳税就是了，提什么支出，那$5000是支出吗？还要转嫁到买家头上，要遇上这样的经纪，立马叫他滚蛋。 -andersonwang(流浪者); 2013-3-27 (#8121610@0)
      • 说话不要太武断，我猜经济从地产公司拿到的是２００００加hst的支票，所以经济也不敢直接报 １５０００的收入. -canadalife(头痛ing); 2013-3-27 (#8122359@0)
        • 我的返用是经济的公司直接给的, 更本就没经过经济的帐户啊.我买房子的钱也是打到JJ公司的帐户上的, 所以JJ返给我的就是我自己的钱, 为什么要报税? -vicky2007(vicky); 2013-3-27 (#8122401@0)
        • 关键是经纪不能把它算成业务支出，而只能看成是自己生活支出。回扣实际上就是赠送，用到的应该是自己的税后收入，就像我们用赚到的钱赠送父母兄弟，给朋友送礼一样 -andersonwang(流浪者); 2013-3-27 (#8122427@0)
    • Simply issue, some people made it complex, some JJ even issued T4A to the clients. JJ claim expense, clients no need to claim income. JJ can't force clients to claim income. If you prefer, you may claim, but don't mislead others. -minnaz(AMX); 2013-3-28 (#8123086@0)
      • If it's T4A, you need file as income. -jjjj(天若有情); 2013-3-28 (#8123135@0)
        • no, you need to tell your JJ, cancel it, you don't have right to issue T4A to me. -minnaz(AMX); 2013-3-28 (#8124194@0)
    • 感谢大家的热心讨论，已经电话咨询过CRA了,不算我的收入，谢谢大家！ -5ab2000(美女集中营营长); 2013-3-28 (#8124686@0)
      • 个人理解，不算你的收入，那经纪就不能把“返还佣金”作为自己的业务支出（ 想减少自己的收入，获得 ‘退税’ ），否则，税务局不干了赔本儿的买卖了嘛。 -cadca(cadca); 2013-3-29 (#8125933@0)
        • JJ claims expense as it is, you don't need to claim income, you see, why tax is complex, not everyone can understand, that's why you need professional accountant who can really understand the rule of tax -minnaz(AMX); 2013-3-29 (#8126180@0)
          • why don't JJ claim 100% as expense if that's the case -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2013-3-29 (#8126186@0)
          • I got t4a from my realtor and she won't cancel it. How do I deal with it -lenwang(len); 2013-4-10 (#8143176@0)
            • co-asking.... -pudding(布丁); 2013-4-10 (#8143744@0)
        • 他没有你给的发票字据等怎么抵扣支出？他给你的gift，是他税后钱。 -fromeastowest(避风塘炒蟹); 2013-4-10 (#8143829@0)
          • Are you sure? -minnaz(AMX); 2013-4-10 (#8143857@0)

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